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I had the pleasure of working with Shawn, Megan, and Kim at The Mortgage Outlet, and I can’t recommend them highly enough! Their professionalism, responsiveness, and attention to detail made the entire process smooth and stress-free. They were always quick to answer my questions and made sure I was well-informed every step of the way. If you’re in the market for a mortgage, this is the team you want on your side. I would 100% recommend them!

This is my third mortgage with Mortgage Outlet. Elan Weintraub and Shira, along with his team are really amazing to work with.We had some challenges with each mortgage, but Elan and Shira were able to make it work, I was completely blown away by how loyal, professional, communicative and just a pleasure they were to work with.I would not work with anyone else!!Thanks again for everything!!

Review:It was my first time working with a mortgage agent, and Miro made the experience great. He helped me secure a good rate and assisted me every step of the way. Thank you, Mortgage Outlet team! It was a pleasure working with you.

This is my third time to apply the mortgage/refinance with Mike. We have great experience for 10 years. Each time Mike tried his best to give me the best rate, and he is always prompt to answer my phone calls. Kim is also fantastic, she is responsive and very efficient to handle my refinance application. Mike, Kim and Megan all work very hard to make sure my refinance completed smoothly. I highly recommend them to anyone and will come to them in the future.

As a first-time homebuyer, I couldn't be happier with the exceptional service provided by Mortgage Outlet. They guided me through every step of the process, patiently answered all my questions, and secured the best possible rate in the market. Their professionalism and dedication made what could have been a stressful experience feel seamless and manageable. I highly recommend their services to anyone looking for great rates and outstanding support!

I am extremely satisfied with what I got through mortgage outlet. Elan Weintraub was my broker and was able to get everything done faster than I thought was possible while still getting me a better rate than I was expecting too! It was a huge relief since I was in a pretty big rush. I would definitely recommend them to anyone and will be using them in the future

This team delivers exceptional service and they are true experts in their field. They secured an unbelievably competitive rate, walked us through every detail of the process, and responded quickly to all our questions. I would like to specially thank Sarah and Megan for managing our file like true pros. As repeat clients, we'll definitely work with them again.

Nos encantó trabajar con Romina, excelente Mortgage Broker que va de la mano con tu proceso y con los tiempos requeridos, siempre estuvo dispuesta a ayudarnos y a explicarnos cada parte del proceso, estamos muy agradecidos con su gestión y la recomendamos mucho. Gracias a ella y todas las personas que trabajaron con nosotros, empezamos esta nueva etapa con nuestra primera casa en Canadá 🇨🇦.

Kim was great at working with us as first time home buyers! She got us a super low rate and explained every step!

Kim and her team do amazing work across the country, helped me find the best possible rate in the market at this time. Thank you!

Shawn, Kim and Sarah were fantastic. From my initial contact to Shawn over email, I knew I was in good hands with a professional team. Shawn called me and got to know my needs, and then coordinated with his team to find me the best option. His knowledge of the Credit Union system was especially valuable, as I wanted a values-based lender. Megan has been super with Admin work, and the whole experience from start to finish has been wonderful. Shawn and his team took the stress out of my mortgage renewal and re-financing for us.

ELAN WEINTRAUB And Shira were amazing. My hubby and I were dreading our mortgage renewal. We had never used a mortgage broker before and now I’ll never renew without one! It was painless with great communication and great results! Highly recommend!

Working with Elan Weintraub , Shira and his whole team was flawless and easy. They were very communicative, knowledgeable and supportive throughout the whole process. I highly recommend this company to anyone looking for a mortgage as the team at Mortage Outlet will care about you as a person, family and human being and will get the job done. Thank you guys so much for everything looking forward to working with you in the future.

Elan & his team go above and beyond to find solutions to difficult funding scenarios! Their customer service is second to none! We were communicated with every step of the way and kept calm and confident that we would be helped. We are eternally grateful for assisting our family! I highly recommend their services.

I used them recently for my first home purchase. Elan and his team were great to work with and very helpful along the way. Highly recommend to anyone looking to get a mortgage.

Kim and Megan did a great job. Thank you.

Can't recommend these guys highly enough. Loved working with Elan, Shira and Jordan. The beauty of working with these guys is that you don't have to chase them at all. If anything, you will have trouble keeping up with their work rate.Everything was said and done days in advance, despite starting the process with them way too late in the game. That must have been the smoothest property closing in history.

Lina & the team @ MO are my number 1 choice for my clients. Always quick, communicative & work very hard to get amazing rates, looking forward to working with them more in the future!

Had a pleasure working with Romina this summer for our mortgage and what can I say she rocks! She was very patient with us and had great communication all throughout to closing 🙏 What I appreciate the most is Romina took her time to find us a lender that would be great for us considering our goal was to have a higher affordability and we did, way more than I expected! Had a great experience working with her and look forward to working again next year when we refi our other property. Thanks Romina!

It was my second time I dealt with Mortgage Outlet Inc. and, as it was in my previous experience, I had absolutely positive experience in dealing with Megan and Kim and happy with the rate I got. Well done ladies! I definitely recommend this company to everyone and am looking forward to working together in the future. Thanks a lot for your job!

The team pulled us out of an extraordinarily expensive lending scenario and through a lot of focus, expertise and care we were able to get a normal mortgage under extreme time pressure.Shawn, Elan and Megan were outstanding support behind the scenes and through individual and team efforts made it happen. Thank you so much, you made a significant positive difference in our lives.

Very helpful and knowledgeable team. We’ve used their services for two mortgages so far and they’re incredibly helpful and accessible to help you through the process. Would recommend them to everyone searching for a mortgage. Thanks team!

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!!! Ilana Platt was absolutely wonderful with helping me to secure a mortgage for my ‘forever/dream’ home!!! Every step of the way she guided me during a very challenging time as I was having some struggles with my personal life. She was professional and kind and I am very grateful!! I highly recommend!! 💫💫💫💫💫

I'm a first time home buyer and Ilana helped me through each step with confidence and competence. She was so helpful and answered all of my questions quickly and patiently. Ilana took the time to make sure I had the best rate and I trust she will look out for the best interest of all her clients! Thanks Ilana!

Iman was great and help full, quick responses, clear explanations and he was able to get the best rate available for us. I would highly recommend.

I recently had the pleasure of working with Romina mortgage broker for my home loan needs. The level of professionalism and expertise displayed throughout the process was truly exceptional. The broker's prompt responses, clear communication, and attention to detail made the entire experience smooth and stress-free. Not only did she secure me a great deal, but she also took the time to explain every step of the process, ensuring I felt confident and informed. I highly recommend Romina to anyone in need of reliable and top-notch service and of course I will not forget Agnes who was always following up in the file with each stepThank you for everything you have done for me and keep it up helping people to take this big step of their lifes.

Romina is the best mortgage broker I've ever worked with. Thorough, patient, deliggant and tireless. She got my wife and I better rate than we had previously been approved for and spent countless hours working on our behalf. It would be a wise decision to work with Romina and Mortgage Outlet believe me.

Kim was fantastic at helping me get a good mortgage even during a tough time in my life when I wasn't sure if I could swing another mortgage right now. I am so grateful for her support and her commitment to making it happen!

Sarah was amazing. Extremely responsive and patient. Worked hard to get us great rates and also monitor for rate updates. Highly recommend.

I advise everyone to work with mortgage outlet as we had the best experiance ever with them they were the only brokers to give us the lowest rates and follow ups to make everything easy and smooth. Well done guys and i thank kim owen our broker who made us buy our first time home so easy and so professional thank you kim and shawn

Romina is an outstanding Mortgage broker! She took the time to meet all of our needs and guided us through the Mortgage process. We highly recommend her and would definitely use her again in the future.

My partner and I worked with Kim to get our very first mortgage and we had such a great experience.Buying your first home is a very special, nerve racking moment in everyones lives and you need someone who is great to support you through this process. Kim walked us through everything detail by detail and we got the best rate on the market. I'd highly recommend this team for all your needs.We will definitely work with them again.

Great team. Got the best deal that was available at the time. Would work with them again and recommend to anyone who is looking for a great mortgage broker.

Shawn was amazing to work with. He was responsive, knowledgeable and transparent. He walked us through the entire mortgage renewal process and helped with each step along the way. Highly recommend working with Shawn for all your mortgage needs.

Kim and team were extremely great to us from the start of the process to the finish. As a buyer, you always have million questions about everything, but Kim was always there to answer them in an extremely patient way. Would definitely recommend them for anything Mortgage related - don’t think twice!

Great help for our first and renewal mortgage. Nationwide.

I wanted to take a moment to thank Miriam and her assistant Wai for helping us secure a mortgage as first time home buyers. My partner and I were new to the process, but Miriams experience shined from the first call until closing. Thank you for guiding us throughout this process and helping us get our foot in the door with a competitive rate!

I had an outstanding experience with Emad and his team at Mortgage Outlet. Emad's deep knowledge, professionalism, and support made my first home-buying journey exceptional.He secured the lowest possible mortgage rate in the market, something I couldn't find anywhere else. I highly recommend Emad and his team to anyone seeking a mortgage.

Sarah and Carmen provided exceptional service, securing the best mortgage deal tailored to our needs. Their expertise and dedication ensured a stress-free process. I highly recommend them for their professionalism and commitment to client satisfaction.

This is my 3 time working withMike and Megan (alwayson the move ) they neverdissappoint!applying for a mortgage can bevery stressful especially whenworking with builders but mikeand Megan made it easy, veryknowledgeable and werealways there when I neededthem!! mike always got me thelowest rate and was available24/7 to answer any of myquestions, highly recommend👌👍until next time guys😉

I've used Elan Weintraub for 2 mortgages, very happy with their service. I appreciate that they use technology to make the process more efficient and secure. Documents are sent through a secure portal and communication can be done by phone, email or text. I also appreciate Elan's honest advice.

100% recommend Sarah and Shawn at the Mortgage Outlet. We are returning customers, when it came time to getting a new mortgage for a recent purchase, they were the only people we wanted to work with. They were extremely helpful, offering us suggestions and answered any questions we had promptly. Couldn't have found a better brokerage to work with. Thank you!

Kim Owen provided us the best experience in walking us through the process with our home builder, plus she got us fantastic rates. Couldn't be happier with our decision to use Mortgage Outlet.UPDATE - May 2024: Just moved and purchased a new home. Yet again Kim was amazing to deal with and made the move as smooth as possible.

Our mortgage broker Sunny was very helpful! He gave us great advice and tips, and helped us secure financing for our next business. The process was smooth and stress-free, thanks to (Sunny) Saif Sarwar. Highly recommend!

Miro is an outstanding mortgage broker who truly goes above and beyond for his clients. His expertise and dedication shine through in every interaction. Miro's deep industry knowledge, transparent communication, and genuine care make the mortgage process smooth and stress-free. I highly recommend Miro to anyone seeking personalized and reliable mortgage services.

We are returning customers and doing business with Mortgage Outlet for a 2nd time. Shawn and Kim together with their team did exceptional work. Five years ago they helped us to get our first home besides too many challenges from our side and this time they helped us to close same day sale and purchase getting the best deal for us in a very constrictedtime frame. Kudos to you guys for making this process a breeze. Thank you for helping us getting our new home.

Gaby was truly amazing to work with. She made the process so easy and everything just flowed. She was able to get rate that no bank would offer. Gaby was always quick to respond and very knowledgeable! I would definitely recommend her!!

Working with Miro for my mortgage needs was a pleasure. His knowledge, patience, and responsiveness made the process seamless. Miro provided alternative options, thoroughly explaining the pros and cons of each, ensuring I could make an informed decision. His dedication and professionalism made what could have been a stressful experience much easier. I highly recommend Miro to anyone seeking mortgage assistance. Thank you, Miro, for your outstanding support!

Would highly recommend Kim and Shawn and the Mortgage Outlet team. They really made our home ownership a reality. Incredibly responsive and they were able to find a solution for us based on our unique situation. They patiently answered all our questions as first-time homebuyers and secured an amazing rate for us. They had our back, looking to get us a better rate right up until closing - and they did! Plus, they were always available for follow-up questions. I'm looking forward to working with them in the future and have already recommended them to friends. Reach out to them, you will not be disappointed.

I’m so happy that we were referred to Andrew and his team to work with us in obtaining a mortgage as they’re very efficient and knowledgeable. They really made this process so much easier for us as they knew exactly what they were doing!

As a first-time home buyer, I'm glad I found Mortgage Outlet Co. and worked with Romina and her team .They are incredibly responsive, ensuring you never feel alone throughout the entire property purchasing process. Romina is highly informative, and I consulted with her about every aspect of the purchase. I wish them all the best. Many thanks to Romina and Dervin.

Kim and her team were absolutely outstanding during our entire mortgage process! They made the process so easy and were there to answer all our questions every step of the way. They were always responsive and checked in all the time to make sure we were on the same path to achieve our home goals. We had an excellent experience and will 100% recommend them to our friends and family! You are in excellent hands with this team! Thanks again!

Janice made persistent efforts for me and would not stop until the results were truly amazing. Janice and I communicated freely throughout the whole process. Her service was so friendly and I am thrilled with everything she did for me. She was a huge help. Thank you Janice!

Ilana Platt, was tremendously helpful. She was completely available for any questions I had and was very responsive throughout the whole process and answered any questions I had immediately. She was able to find me an even better rate just before my close, which is exactly what she said she would do. Very appreciated. Thanks so much.

Gabby was amazing and extremely helpful and went over and above. I’m so grateful for the entire team that helped me through a confusing and stressful process.

We worked with Gaby on our refinance and she was such a pro. Didn't miss any details, great communication and followed through until the end. Exactly what we would have wanted from a broker. Thank you so much!!!

Working with Gaby Ramer definitely made the whole process smooth and efficient. She was always available to address any questions and always looking out for you. I highly recommend her to any future home buyers!

Ilana Platt. I had never worked with a mortgage broker before, so I had reached out to a few for initial discussions, and Ilana was the first broker I spoke with. From our very first conversation, Ilana shared all the right, plain language information for me to feel confident about what my options were, what the process looked like and what to expect. While my conversations with the other brokers left me with feelings of "might be this, maybe that" and expectations that even I knew were unrealistic. There was a lot of trust built with Ilana from the get-go because she shared current actuals that eased my stress renewing a mortgage under current times and interest rates. And the process remained the same throughout - she kept me updated and informed throughout, was very responsive, friendly, professional and she just plain-old knows her stuff. I landed even better than I ever thought I would going into it (bank conversations were useless, FYI) - thank you Ilana! And to anyone looking, look no further than Ilana!

I learned about Mortgage Outlet Inc. from a work colleague and was reassured that my mortgage concerns and needs would be addressed. My husband and I trust in word of mouth referrals, but were amazed by our experience with Mortgage Outlet Inc. From our initial consult with Shawn Stillman, to our mortgage journey with Kim Owen and the team, we experienced nothing but knowledgeable professionalism, courteous and timely communications, as well advocacy for our needs. We highly recommend Mortgage Outlet Inc.

Elan Weintraub's professionalism and friendliness made selling the property to his clients an experience that was smooth and stress-free. I felt supported and valued, and his proactive approach in addressing any issues that arose was truly commendable.

Used the Mortgage Outlet for my recent home purchase and the staff and experience were 10/10. Romina and Dervin were attentive, responsive, and available to answer any and all of my questions. Best of all, I got a great rate through them!

Ilana Platt was my mortgage broker for my renewal which just came through. Not only did she find me a much better rate than my bank, but she made the process as easy as possible. She made herself entirely available to me with my difficult work hours. She thoroughly impressed me with her astute knowledge and professionalism - helping me understand and choose the best options for me. I would absolutely recommend Ilana with the highest regard to anyone needing a mortgage!Dr Joseph Bencak

I am so glad that I reached out to Phil for my first mortgage. Phil Cragg and his team, Cody and Priscilla, were outstanding and I would not hesitate to recommend them to my own friends and family. As a first time home buyer, I had a lot of questions. Phil and his team were always available to hop on a call and help me understand the various documents and processes involved. They were prompt, knowledgeable, professional and transparent. I had no doubt that Phil and his team had my best interest in mind. I really appreciate all of their patience and willingness to help. Thank you Phil, Cody and Priscilla!- Clara

For my first house I was looking for the best mortgage deal in the market and a person who can guide me through the whole process.I got in touch with Phil for the mortgage and he hleped me to get the best deal from market.Phil guided us through each and every step of the process professionally.I recommend Phil and his team for all for best mortgage related services.

Our experience with Kim Owen at Mortgage Outlet was fantastic. Thank you for all your work in making this a smooth process for us!

I have worked with many mortgage brokers in the past, but after working with Miro, I will never work with anyone else. Miro was extremely professional, knowledgeable, responsive and helped me find the best mortgage interest rate! Miro was always on top of everything and kept me informed every step of the way. Would recommend him to anyone looking for a mortgage agent.

I worked with Phil Cragg and his team for a Mortgage refinancing. Phil and his team were able to get an excellent rate and the process was painless and smooth. Highly recommended.

As a FTHB, I was nervous about the whole process. As we were shopping around for a broker, we reached out to Ingrid Hollyer to test the waters and then committed when we received our firm closing for our preconstruction.We could not have asked for a better experience. Ingrid was patient, supportive, and reassuring throughout the whole process. Ingrid’s expertise alongside her team of talented and dedicated colleagues such as Dervin and Allison made it a positive experience.

My wife and I had our first experience buying a house in Canada, and many aspects were unclear to us. We scheduled appointments with various banks, which required us to take leave from work to discuss our mortgage application. Banks offered lower eligibility amounts and higher mortgage rates than expected.A friend recommended Iman Ardestani from Mortgage Outlet Inc., who held licenses for New Brunswick and Toronto. He had experience working with both immigrants and Canadians and was well-versed in the complexities of the immigration process. Iman proved to be extremely helpful, patient, and efficient. His precise calculations exceeded our expectations, and he even prepared the final contract exceptionally well.Thanks to Mortgage Outlet Inc. and especially Iman, we obtained our mortgage without worries, and we now own the house we truly desired. This wouldn't have been possible without Iman's assistance. Additionally, Iman also helped us apply for the first homebuyer incentive program, which qualified us for a better house.

Before becoming acquainted with Mortgage Outlet Inc., we were attempting to obtain a loan from banks but couldn't purchase our desired house. A friend recommended Iman Ardestani from Mortgage Outlet Inc., and we began working with him to secure a mortgage. Not only did he guide us in achieving the best-case scenario within our budget, but he also assisted us in obtaining the optimal mortgage amount. Additionally, Iman was always available to answer our questions. His precise calculations provided a close approximation of the amount we could afford for a house, and thanks to his fast and very responsible efforts, we now own a home we love.

I really enjoyed working with Mortgage Outlet, their service is exceptional! Romina and her team are awesome and were able to secure me a rate way lower than what the banks were offering. They kept me informed throughout the whole process and their attention to every question I had was superb!

Excellent service, Kim and staff are very pleasant and efficient to work with.

Their service is exceptional and the rates were unbelievable. Phil and his team provided great service, communication was smooth and their portal is very easy to use in terms of submitting documents. Including myself, getting mortgage is very stressful process in terms of gathering documents and communicating with broker but I have to say, my experience with Priscilla was beyond what I expected, communication was so smooth and she was very clear and precise. Just contact them if you want smooth process. Thank you.

The team at Mortgage outlet helped us with our house financing in an efficient and supportive manner. They responded quickly and answered all of our questions so easily.

Sarah and team made the mortgage renewal process stress free and easy, helping me through every step and securing an amazing interest rate. I highly recommend Mortgage Outlet and can't thank them enough!

We had a great experience with Mortgage Outlet. We felt well supported and educated throughout the whole process. Thank you for your help!

I was referred to Leah at the Mortgage Outlet Inc as someone who would take the time to work with me, explain all of the detailed terms and really help me understand the more complicated parts of renewing a mortgage. Her and her team were an absolute pleasure to work with and she personally was able to obtain and present multiple different options for my mortgage renewal. She was able to beat the rates hands down that the bank was offering me. She was clear, concise and able to tell me the pros and cons of each option. Her team was also very good and always on top of all communications. One of the best traits I found was their ability to always be available and return my calls/emails promptly. This was very important for me as I was up against a time crunch to renew my mortgage. Thank you Leah and team!

We’ve had the pleasure of working with Mortgage Outlet for almost a decade now. The level of service from the team is simply outstanding and the getting-things-done attitude gave us complete peace of mind. We can count on Mortgage Outlet to always look after our best interest as clients. A big thank-you also goes out to the administrative team - their hard work and execution behind the scenes is also what delivers such high quality service and excellent results!

I would give Ilana Platt one hundred stars if I could.I can't express enough how fortunate we were to have had Ilana as our guiding light on the path to homeownership. In an industry where trust is paramount, Ilana is a true beacon of reliability, hard work, and honesty.From the very first conversation, it was evident that Ilana was different. She didn't just treat us as another client; she made us feel like a valued friend, genuinely interested in our dreams and financial well-being. Her passion for helping people achieve their homeownership goals shone through, and it was incredibly reassuring. We knew we were in good hands.As first-time buyers and without a ton of money, my husband and I were worried we wouldn’t be taken seriously or made a priority, but Ilana jumped on the challenge (and I assure you - it was a challenge) and found us an option that would work for our situation – and then a great rate to go with it. I appreciated that Ilana took the time to patiently explain details and options and answer my hundreds of dumb questions and late night and weekend text messages. It's rare to find someone who so flawlessly combines industry expertise with a genuine willingness to empower their clients. Ilana is smart, and I learned a lot from her.What truly sets Ilana apart is her tireless work ethic. No question or concern was too small or too complex for her to address. I never felt rushed or pressured into making a decision. She meticulously analyzed our financial situation and sought the best solutions that aligned with our home owning goals.Honesty is a rare gem these days, but that’s what you get with Ilana. She was transparent in all of our dealings, ensuring there were no hidden surprises or unexpected fees down the line. This level of integrity was a breath of fresh air and significantly reduced the stress of the homebuying process for us.Ilana was not just our mortgage broker; she was our ally, advocate, and confidant throughout the journey. She stood by us, providing guidance and support until the day we held the keys to our first home. I can't imagine having navigated this complex process without her expertise and unwavering commitment.Thank you, Ilana!

We got our mortgage through Isioma Ubosi. She got us the best rate available and ensured the process till approval was absolutely seamless. It was an amazing experience

Excellent service throughout the process. Very responsive. Highly recommended.

Great work accomplished by the amazing team Kim Owen and Shawn Stillman at Mortgage Outlet.I recommend their services to everyone looking to secure a mortgage or line of credit.

It was a pleasure to work with Phil and his team. Everyone was very communicative and helpful. It really made our mortgage experience a positive one!

In a time when it seems nearly impossible to secure a mortgage, Kim, Shawn and team at Mortgage Outlet go above and beyond to make it happen. They made the process seamless and always made themselves available to answer any questions and offer guidance. I am thrilled with my new home and so very grateful for the assistance of the team! I would highly recommend Mortgage Outlet for your mortgage needs. Thank you Shawn, Kim, and team for your outstanding service and support!

Best service and care around. Been with them a long time and wouldn't go anywhere else.

Sarah Williams and her team did an amazing job managing my mortgage transfer. She always acted in my best interest, got me a great rate, did all the work (all I did was sign documents that were sent to me), ensured everything was done on time and answered all my questions. Truly exceptional service and highly deserving of a 5 star rating. I will definitely be a return customer for my next renewal.

Phil and his team worked hard to get me the best rate and terms for my mortgage and helped me to weigh the options so that I would understand the choice I was making.Aside from helping me with my personal mortgage, as a Realtor I recommend all of my clients to Phil and his team. They are miracle workers and never give up. They always get the job done and do it with professionalism and kindness. My clients and always choose Phil... you should too!

They were awesome and did a great job leading me through my mortgage process. I am very happy and thankful for the service that Iman Ardestani provided. He got a great rate for me. I have nothing but great things to say about Mortgage Outlet and would recommend them.

Would give Phil Crag of Mortgage Outlets and his entire team, Cody as well 5 stars. Phil took us through the entire process, he was very paitent and thorough even when we had a glitch he was there to help. He is great at provided a varity of options and advise that works for you.We would recommend Phil Crag of Mortgage Outlets always

They were very professional, walked me through the process of the mortgage. They even helped me for the refinancing the mortgage with a GREAT rate.Iman Ardestani gave me tips during the whole process and he was always available to answer my questions.Very happy with the whole experience, thanks Iman.

Phil & Team are amazing! Highly recommend.

As a first time homebuyer, I had very little knowledge about getting a mortgage. Shawn and Kim at Mortgage Outlet went above and beyond to make sure everything was in order for me to secure a mortgage and to buy my home. They were highly responsive, thorough, and really compassionate with me throughout the entire process. I am grateful to the team and highly recommend them to anyone who is looking to buy a place. I will not hesitate to reach out to them again in the future!!